An Interview with
Maitre Alexandre Lerot, Baron d'Avigné
How and when did you start fencing in the SCA?
Fencing was what really got me going in the SCA. I hooked up with the SCA at demo at a gaming convention, and made contact with Lord Charles François, sort of the top dog local fencer. I fenced with him for a few months before attending any events. If my memory serves, this would have been the middle of 1983.
Do you have other combat arts experience?
I’ve been fighting SCA heavy since 1985 or so, and doing stage combat as a participant, teacher and fight director since the early 90s. I’ve messed around a bit with other martial arts but never even faintly seriously.
Have you brought anything from stage combat into your fencing – in regular bouting or at demos?
Absolutely. Demos in particular benefit from the theatricality of stage combat experience. And it's always good to pose impressively ... as long as one is out of range.
What do you enjoy most about fencing?
Hard to say. What’s not to love? The competition is fun, naturally, and it plays into so many of my youthful and not-so-youthful fantasies. There’s also a problem-solving aspect which appeals to the analytical side of my brain.
What’s the perfect mindset for a fight?
Confident and relaxed. Radiating a little arrogance doesn’t hurt, since if your opponent believes they will lose, they are more than half-way there. But don’t get cocky.
Occasionally fighters refer to "the Zone". What is this?
The Zone is the magic place where it all comes together. On those days, or more likely, moments that you are in the Zone, shots almost block themselves, openings appear for the asking and foes drop dead at your feet as if by a simple act of will.

You can tell if you were in the Zone because people come up to you afterwards and say things like, "Dude, I was fighting well and I couldn't lay a blade on you." Or sometimes, "Dude, that was awesome! You were in the Zone."
What do you think causes it? Just the right combo of focus and, maybe, physical energy level?
Sure, to be in the Zone really means to have mind and body working in the proper balance. It's ephemeral, of course. Affected by everything from the weather to the last night's dinner to that twinge in your ankle. Proper mindset and focus can get you into good shape. If you've got the right skillset, then the right mindset will make you a competitor on any given day. But, when the stars align, so to speak, you can be untouchable, and that's the Zone. Oh, and it feels effortless.

At least in my world. Other people may have different zones. Without trying to sound arrogant, it may be that what I think of as sort of the baseline good tourney head would qualify as the Zone for some people, and what I think of as the Zone is really restricted to the top few percent. All I know is that, although I'm pretty damn good, I'm not really the best fencer in the East ... but, there are days here and there, when I also know that on that day, I'm in the Zone and I'm the best fencer in the SCA.
What happens if both fighters are there? Can two Zones coincide?
That tends to be an epic battle. I suppose there are multiple zonal possibilities, but they would tend to cancel out. Or possibly, whoever's Zone is stronger negates the other.
What would you change about your fencing or about the SCA fencing community?
I’d like to see folks, in general, relax a little more. Remember, it’s about the fun – we’re not getting paid for this, or at least I’m not. Stipends for old fencers is not a bad idea, though.

Oh, and we should lose this obsession with matching forms.
What do you wish you knew when you started?
Everything I know now. That is, there isn’t a single factoid or trick that would have changed my life. Instead, the last twenty-odd years have given me an accumulation of skills and a bag of tricks that would have made me really scary when I had a sixteen year old’s reflexes. I was pretty scary as it was, but with the treachery of old age combined with the speed of youth... Pardon me, I think I need a moment.
What has kept you fencing over the years?
It’s what I do. That’s really all there is to it.
Name three people who have influenced your fencing.
Lord Charles François, my first teacher, has had the most influence. I got a good grounding in basics – footwork! I’ve been fencing for twenty years and my knees are in fine shape; I credit good footwork.

Ian of Nightsgate, the second White Scarf of the Outlands, among many other achievements. For years we pushed each other, made each other work and kept the pressure on.

Everyone else. I’m a sponge, I’ll steal tricks from anyone I cross blades with. If we’ve fought, you’ve had an effect on me most likely.
Do you prefer teaching or marshalling?
Teaching. Marshalling is a necessary evil, but it’s dead boring. I’d rather just watch than marshal. Why? Do people actually like marshalling?
What’s your philosophy on taking students, cadets and protégés?
That’s a separate interview. In short, any principal/dependant relationship is a unique relationship between two (or possibly more) people. Generalizations are very difficult to make. I’m not opposed to the idea or concept, but such a relationship ought to have a reason.

I don’t think such a setup should be required for advancement, in the sense of getting the award presumably held by the principal. I don’t even think that should always be the goal of the relationship.

I dislike strongly the idea of recruiting dependants, especially those who are already well along the track ("low-hanging fruit"), since that tends to smack of personal aggrandizement. But then again, see paragraph one; if it works for the people involved, more power to them and who am I to complain? Personally, though, I don’t recruit, and if someone approaches me to become a cadet or protégé, I usually try to talk them out. They need to convince me why it’s a good idea for either of us. The talk usually starts out something like, "I’ll teach you if you want, but you don’t need to be my cadet for that ..."
Melees or single combat?
Yes.
In-fighting or distance fighting?
Yes.
Bacon, pork or ham?
Bacon, usually; I got my bacon brittle recipe sorted out. Mmm. Candied pig, what’s not to like?

Ham, of course, because I cure them myself.

Pork’s good, too. We had a discussion about which animal you’d choose, if you could only eat one for the rest of your life. Pig was the usual winner – ‘cause it’s good from "toot to snoot" and so versatile.
Could you pick ‘The Flash’ out of a comics heroes lineup?
Silver Age, classic Barry Allen or the new one, who, I think, used to be Kid Flash?
Yes.
As long as they are in costume, yes. Even that last one, Wally West, I think.
Any rules changes you'd like to see?
I dream of the day when we can simplify the rules. Given human nature, I’m not holding my breath.
With regard to fencing, or the SCA in general, do you have a favorite accomplishment?
I have had a long career in the SCA, and done a lot of things. It would hard to pick a single favorite. I’ve had epic battles, been the gunslinger, saved events or feasts at the last moment, made people go "ooh." I’ve had my less shining moments, of course. Those are not my favorites, though.
How do you see your role as the Viceroy of Ostgardr?
The role is complicated. In brief, it’s to support the group and the people; help them to thrive and succeed at the local and kingdom levels. Also to put on a good show. We provide a local focus for the ceremony and pageantry that attracts many people to the SCA.

And to crush any opposition under my jack-booted heel. (That’s an Østgarðr joke, of sorts.)
Do you have goals for Ostgardr related to fencing?
Only inasmuch as I would like to support all the martial arts. I would love for Ostgardtr to have a stronger fencing presence. But also a stronger archery, thrown and heavy presence. (I also think part of the job is to avoid playing favorites, if you can.)
How can you be bribed?
It’s hard. But I can be easily distracted with back-rubs.
How can you be defeated?
I am invincible.
Tell a bit about a favorite fencing day.
Hmm. Grand Outlandish, lo these many years ago. Tourney. Some guy was just rhino-ing his way through the tournament. It gets to the finals, and it’s me and him, and everyone else is looking to me to save the day. I just love that gunslinger moment. I go out, and I know what I have to do to beat him. So I do it, I take his blade out of the way, set my point on his chest with some nice flex and then just leave it there. Hold the pose and wait. We all see it. He sees it, I see it, everyone can see it.

It turns out, it was actually a marshallate failure. He was not a bad guy, just had a really skewed calibration.

There are many others. Raiding the cannon at Pennsic a few years ago. Just messing around at Glenn Linn with Thomas de Castellan a year or two before that.

Good times, good times.
Any tournaments you’re looking forward to at Pennsic this year?
Nope. My fighting is going to be really limited; not only do I have Viceregal duties, but I’m still coming back from shoulder surgery and shouldn’t push it.
Whom do you admire?
Christopher of Hoghton, what I still pretty much think a Knight should be.
Baron Jehan of Carolingia, someone who plays the game as it should be played.
Harlan Ellison, who makes me want to write even more.

And many more, but those three are fresh in my mind.
Favorite opponents?
There are lots of folks I like fencing. I always have a good time with Don (Dirty) Pierre de Tours.
What advice do you offer new fencers?
"If you’re not having fun, you’re doing it wrong."
"Everyone loses, get your basics and don’t give up and sooner or later you’ll lose less."
Give someone in the fencing community a call sign.
I'll pick on Alain; he's the newest OGR.

Alain Longship, err, Don Alain Longship should be call-signed as "Don Creamy" for his fine Irish Cream. Or perhaps simply "Whiskey" as in "Irish" in the cream.
Without naming the speaker, give me a quote from someone in the fencing community.
"Consider that your prize bout."

Interview from July 2007.